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Smith DNA Matched Group GRP-J-M172-8- Stephen S Smith b 1839 GA m Mary A ; Unknown; Thomas Smith b 1743 VA for the Smith Official DNA Project (All) at FamilyTreeDNA
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Stephen S Smith b 1839 GA m Mary A ; Unknown; Thomas Smith b 1743 VA

John Smith b 1788 NC m Louvenia 3 Htrrn 4 John P--- John Smith m Sarah Alexander 2. Stephen 3 John A 4 Frederick P--- John Smith m Sarah Alexander 2. Stephen 3. John Alexander 4 Frederick P--- Thomas Smith b 1743 VA m Phoebe Napier 2. Wilkins 3 Thomas 4. Stephen S Smith b 1839 GA--- Thomas Smith b 1743 VA m Phoebe Napier 2. Wilkins 3. Thomas 4. Stephen Seable Smith b 1839 GA m Mary A--- Thomas Smith b 1743 VA m Phoebe Napier 2.Wilkins 3 Thomas 4 John--- Unknown---
Statistics: Total Members: 7 Total YDNA: 5 Total mtDNA: 0 Total autosomal: 1 Total tree only: 1 Total Big-Y: 1
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The following group is created based on YDNA matches. Sometimes trees are incorrect, and sometimes the results of DNA show that believing a particular tree is yours leads to a different direction than you originally thought. If you see an error in any tree, you are encouraged to send in corrections, sources, etc or post about it on the forum. These lines represent people's research. What the Smith DNA Project attempts to do in those cases is, with sources or reasoning, get the people together in a given group to discuss and then come to a consensus about the data for updating or correcting. We do not remove information without the people who have the trees, if possible,  being aware through a process so they can confirm or not, or describe the issue if there is a conflict that cannot be easily resolved. We also cannot know, nor have unlimited time to look for, places on the internet that have additional information. We rely on people whose trees these are, as project members, and members of this Smith DNA grouping, or interested passersby providing information that will set a new light on members data. If you know of other DNA matches that are not in the Smith DNA Project at FamilyTreeDNA, please invite them to join the project so that we may compare here  Also, There is a Submit Photo/Document/Source link on every ancestor page, as well as a Suggest changes and Contact link. Incidentally, make sure you post your tree on FTDNA for the benefit of others who want to compare and know what line it may be.  If you believe you would fit into this group, please 1. join the Smith DNA Project at FamilyTreeDNA (Official-All), 2. Send in your direct line that includes the earliest Smith/Schmidt for whom you have a source 3. Register on the smithsworldwide.org big tree site
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 Sorting out two Thomas Smiths SC and Mississippi
Hat tip to Tanner Smith for suggesting that Thomas A Smith b c 1801 SC (or nC)  who married Elizabeth Locke is not the same as Thomas Smith b c 1802 Edgefield Co SC. First, will go through the 2 distinct families and then discuss Stephen S Smith who died in 1901 in Le Flore Co OK and was in Lee Co MS.

Family #1 - Thomas A Smith b 1801 SC (according to 1850 Madison Co MS census) married Elizabeth J Locke, daughter of Benjamin Roots Locke who had married Zilpha Sullivan in 1808 Brunswick Co NC. He is found on the 1840 Brunswick Co NC census (the young male son is apparently Josiah A Smith), 1850 Madison Co MS, 1860 Madison Co MS. His will is in 1853 in Madison Co MS  Of note is that there is an older Josiah S Smith, said to be son of Thomas Smith in Brunswick Co VA., named his first child Thomas and will is in 1859 Brunswick Co NC.  The Smith DNA project does not currently have any known testers for Thomas Aiken (need source for Aiken) Smith b 1770 d 1820 Brunswick Co NC m Jane Jordan(if accurate, possibly the marriage was in Horry Co SC in 1791)  but putting out a call for anyone that believes this is their line that has done DNA, particularly a male Smith for YDNA, to come join the project.

Family #2 Thomas Smith b 1802 SC m Elizabeth. Found on the 1850 Edgefield Co SC census with children James, Jane, Stephen S, John W, Overton (Obadiah?) W and Minick, then had moved to Heard Co GA by 1860, and again on the 1870 Heard Co GA census. Of this family, at least two of them went to Lee Co MS (1860 census - Stephen S and brother Overton/Obadian next door-believe this to be Mileage Obadiah Smith b 1837 who married Ann Mansell in 1874 in Saltillo, Lee Co MS. )

These 2 Thomas Smiths CANNOT be the same person as, even though the birth dates are close, they are in different locations in 1850.

One member is a descendant of Family#2 and matches into this group (GRP-J-M172-8 https://www.smithsworldwide.org/tng/smtrees.php?grouping=GRP-J-M172-8 ) Wilkins C Smith will of 1851 in Edgefield Co SC mentions son Thomas. This Thomas, born c 1802 in Edgefield Co SC has a son Stephen S in the 1850 Edgefield Co SC census. Note that Thomas also has a son John W and son Overton M. Thomas is next found in 1860 and 1870 Heard Co GA. Following son Stephen S, he married Martha Mills in 1856 in Crawford Co GA, in 1860 Beasley, Crawford Co GA in 1860, Lee Co Mississippi with new wife Mary in 1870, and 3rd wife Eliza in 1880 in Lee Co MS. Significantly, next door to him in 1870 in Lee Co MS is his younger brother Odleton/Obadiah/Overton Mileage Overton Smith married Ann Mansell in 1874 in Lee Co MS and is then found in 1880 Lee Co MS. John William Smith, another son of Thomas Smith, married his wife Florilla Ann in 1878 in Lee Co MS before moving to Lauderdale Co AL in 1880. Although we do not have a YDNA tester yet for M O Smith, if you are a  male Smith of this line, do consider getting a YDNA test as it appears almost certain (barring an NPE) that you would also fit this grouping.
 

Comment by smithsworldwide 2023-11-13 11:42:04

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Statistics: Total Members: 7 Total YDNA: 5 Total mtDNA: 0 Total autosomal: 1 Total tree only: 1 Total Big-Y: 1

Matched Group/Subgroup Early Ancestor Tree/Ped/m/Y/X/FF(Aut) Kit# / Type Test SNP Gedmatch Migration Path
GRP-J-M172-8 John Smith b 1788 NC m Louvenia 3 Htrrn 4 John P Kit # 9543****/ YDNA  NC(Stanly)
GRP-J-M172-8 John Smith m Sarah Alexander 2. Stephen 3 John A 4 Frederick P Kit # 6303****/ FF/AUT 
GRP-J-M172-8 John Smith m Sarah Alexander 2. Stephen 3. John Alexander 4 Frederick P Kit # 9635****/ YDNA 
GRP-J-M172-8 Thomas Smith b 1743 VA m Phoebe Napier 2. Wilkins 3 Thomas 4. Stephen S Smith b 1839 GA Kit # 1472****/ YDNA  J-M241 SC>GA>OK
GRP-J-M172-8 Thomas Smith b 1743 VA m Phoebe Napier 2. Wilkins 3. Thomas 4. Stephen Seable Smith b 1839 GA m Mary A / dH8wi5YgrLTree Only GA
GRP-J-M172-8 Thomas Smith b 1743 VA m Phoebe Napier 2.Wilkins 3 Thomas 4 John Kit # B763****/ YDNA  BigY
GRP-J-M172-8 Unknown                       Kit # 2873****/ YDNA  J-M172

LEGEND:
This chart, for privacy reasons, partially privatizes kit numbers. Each unique family line is represented by a *branch*. Think of one big tree with many branches. The branch number is automatically generated when a member sends his or her tree. The Smith DNA Project looks to see if the lineage is already represented or is new, as well as checks to see if the DNA results are compatible with any existing and matching line results. The YDNA, FFAUT, mtDNA, or Tree Only shows what type of DNA, if any, the member has tested for.
Groupings based on at least 37 matching YDNA markers, subject to change if better match found. If you have done less than 37, ie, 12 or 25, please considering upgrading your markers to at least 37 so we can get a determinative group for you;autosomal, mtDNA and tree-only are only assumed to be related but a given line needs to be, if possible, vetted via a YDNA test or the autosomal tester needs to have a proven match with another autosomal tester who also has a YDNA match. We post this provisional DNA along with the proven YDNA matches in a group in order to bring attention to getting a YDNA tester to represent.
To see more information on a given *branch, click the branch description (ie, "John Smith b 1767 NC") etc.
icon for FF/AUT (Family Finder/Autosomal type test) means caution, needs to be verified. Same, obviously, with Tree Only and mtDNA. means it has been verified with at least one other autosomal match which also has been verified with the YDNA test in this group. The project also keeps autosomal groups separately while waiting for additional information to link them to a YDNA group.
To see the terminal SNP is order, click the column SNP. If the kit taker has also done a Big-Y kit, that will be shown in the Kit/Type Test column and clicking the SNP number will take you to the Big-Y Time Tree for this group, otherwise, the SNP is determined by FTDNA and there is no link on the SNP.
Contacting a participant. Use the contact information, above. if the member is registered on this site, you may send a private message. You will also need to be registered and logged on. You can also go to a given ancestor page, and post a query to the Smith DNA Discussion forum (separate login and registration)  Post a question regarding the line on the Smiths DNA Facebook group. If on FamilyTreeDNA, look up the match list and click on the email icon for a given matching kit.
The section with Tree/Ped/m/x/Y/FF(Aut) shows the top tree line and pedigree if known, and what the YDNA, mtDNA, X line would look like-does not necessarily mean the person has done a particular test- column 2 shows the test taken Groupings based on YDNA; mtDNA and FF/Aut are assumed to match based on tree; suggest those kits find a Smith male in line to YDNA compare. If you are a male Smith that did an autosomal test (Family Finder/Ancestry) and you are grouped with others, we strongly suggest you do a YDNA test as well.
A mail icon indicates that this person has registered on smithsworldwide.org, the registration has been tied to a branch, and he or she can be contacted by clicking the mail icon and sending a private message. The private message will also send an email. If the member is also a group contact for the group, there will be a "Group Contact" indication as well.
A icon indicates the line representative has not registered on this site and cannot be contacted through private message or email. If you are represented here and you are not registered, please register and be sure to include your kit number so we can look you up and tie you to your branch. You can then be directly contacted from this site.