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Smith DNA Matched Group GRP-I-M253-5- Jonathan Smith 1801 Montgomery Co NC and Malcolm Smith 1800 SC for the Smith Official DNA Project (All) at FamilyTreeDNA
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Jonathan Smith 1801 Montgomery Co NC and Malcolm Smith 1800 SC

Isaac Smith b 1797 SC m Nancy Carver 2 William 3 Henry--- John Smith d 1850 Copiah Co MS--- John Smith d 1850 MS m Martha 2 Barney 3 Franklin B--- Jonathan Smith b 1801 NC m Rebecca Morris 2 William 3 Odus--- Jonathan Smith b c 1801 NC n 3 William--- Malcolm Smith b 1800 SC m Lucy Briant 2 Samuel 3 John--- Malcolm Smith b 1800 SC m Lucy Briant 2 Samuel 3 Newton--- Samuel J Smith b 1795 NC m E Satterwhite 2 Derrell 3 Samuel--- Samuel Smith b c 1795 NC m Elizabeth Satterwhite 2 Derrell 3 Samuel--- Samuel Smith b1795 Granville NC m Elizabeth Satterwhite 2 George 3 Alonzo---

Statistics: Total Members: 10 Total YDNA: 8 Total mtDNA: 0 Total autosomal: 1 Total tree only: 1 Total Big-Y: 0
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The following group is created based on YDNA matches. Sometimes trees are incorrect, and sometimes the results of DNA show that believing a particular tree is yours leads to a different direction than you originally thought. If you see an error in any tree, you are encouraged to send in corrections, sources, etc or post about it on the forum. These lines represent people's research. What the Smith DNA Project attempts to do in those cases is, with sources or reasoning, get the people together in a given group to discuss and then come to a consensus about the data for updating or correcting. We do not remove information without the people who have the trees, if possible,  being aware through a process so they can confirm or not, or describe the issue if there is a conflict that cannot be easily resolved. We also cannot know, nor have unlimited time to look for, places on the internet that have additional information. We rely on people whose trees these are, as project members, and members of this Smith DNA grouping, or interested passersby providing information that will set a new light on members data. If you know of other DNA matches that are not in the Smith DNA Project at FamilyTreeDNA, please invite them to join the project so that we may compare here  Also, There is a Submit Photo/Document/Source link on every ancestor page, as well as a Suggest changes and Contact link. Incidentally, make sure you post your tree on FTDNA for the benefit of others who want to compare and know what line it may be.  If you believe you would fit into this group, please 1. join the Smith DNA Project at FamilyTreeDNA (Official-All), 2. Send in your direct line that includes the earliest Smith/Schmidt for whom you have a source 3.  Register on the smithsworldwide.org big tree site    Don't see yourself or see something that needs updating or fixin'? Let us know!
Note that all groups and discussion for the Smith DNA Project at FamilyTreeDNA, including for Group GRP-I-M253-5 are located either on FamilyTreeDNA Smith DNA Project at FamilyTreeDNA site or on the Smith DNA Project pages at smithsworldwide.org and not anywhere else, including private sites, wikitree or reddit.
Matched Group/Subgroup Early Ancestor Tree/Ped/m/Y/X/FF(Aut) Kit# / Type Test SNP Gedmatch Migration Path
GRP-I-M253-5 Isaac Smith b 1797 SC m Nancy Carver 2 William 3 Henry Kit # 9209****/ YDNA  I-M253 SC>FL
GRP-I-M253-5 John Smith d 1850 Copiah Co MS Kit # b647****/ FF/AUT  NC>SC (Sumter)
GRP-I-M253-5 John Smith d 1850 MS m Martha 2 Barney 3 Franklin B Kit # 9368****/ YDNA  I-M253 SC>MS (Copiah)
GRP-I-M253-5 Jonathan Smith b 1801 NC m Rebecca Morris 2 William 3 Odus Kit # 1116****/ YDNA  I-M253 NC>NC
GRP-I-M253-5 Jonathan Smith b c 1801 NC n 3 William Kit # MK39****/ YDNA  I-M253
GRP-I-M253-5 Malcolm Smith b 1800 SC m Lucy Briant 2 Samuel 3 John / Zi8MBc042021220930Tree Only SC>TN(Giles)
GRP-I-M253-5 Malcolm Smith b 1800 SC m Lucy Briant 2 Samuel 3 Newton Kit # 8907****/ YDNA  I-M253 SC>TN>TN
GRP-I-M253-5 Samuel J Smith b 1795 NC m E Satterwhite 2 Derrell 3 Samuel Kit # 3347****/ YDNA  I-Y7925 NC>NC
GRP-I-M253-5 Samuel Smith b c 1795 NC m Elizabeth Satterwhite 2 Derrell 3 Samuel Kit # 1877****/ YDNA  I-M253 NC>AL
GRP-I-M253-5 Samuel Smith b1795 Granville NC m Elizabeth Satterwhite 2 George 3 Alonzo Kit # A103****/ YDNA  I-M253 NC>AL>AL
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LEGEND:
This chart, for privacy reasons, partially privatizes kit numbers. Each unique family line is represented by a *branch*. Think of one big tree with many branches. The branch number is automatically generated when a member sends his or her tree. The Smith DNA Project looks to see if the lineage is already represented or is new, as well as checks to see if the DNA results are compatible with any existing and matching line results. The YDNA, FFAUT, mtDNA, or Tree Only shows what type of DNA, if any, the member has tested for.
Groupings based on at least 37 matching YDNA markers, subject to change if better match found. If you have done less than 37, ie, 12 or 25, please considering upgrading your markers to at least 37 so we can get a determinative group for you;autosomal, mtDNA and tree-only are only assumed to be related but a given line needs to be, if possible, vetted via a YDNA test or the autosomal tester needs to have a proven match with another autosomal tester who also has a YDNA match. We post this provisional DNA along with the proven YDNA matches in a group in order to bring attention to getting a YDNA tester to represent.
To see more information on a given *branch, click the branch description (ie, "John Smith b 1767 NC") etc.
icon for FF/AUT (Family Finder/Autosomal type test) means caution, needs to be verified. Same, obviously, with Tree Only and mtDNA. means it has been verified with at least one other autosomal match which also has been verified with the YDNA test in this group. The project also keeps autosomal groups separately while waiting for additional information to link them to a YDNA group.
To see the terminal SNP is order, click the column SNP. If the kit taker has also done a Big-Y kit, that will be shown in the Kit/Type Test column and clicking the SNP number will take you to the Big-Y Time Tree for this group, otherwise, the SNP is determined by FTDNA and there is no link on the SNP.
Contacting a participant. Use the contact information, above. if the member is registered on this site, you may send a private message. You will also need to be registered and logged on. You can also go to a given ancestor page, and post a query to the Smith DNA Discussion forum (separate login and registration)  If on FamilyTreeDNA, look up the match list and click on the email icon for a given matching kit. Or, you can use the Contact Us link at top of this page to request a message be sent
The section with Tree/Ped/m/x/Y/FF(Aut) shows the top tree line and pedigree if known, and what the YDNA, mtDNA, X line would look like-does not necessarily mean the person has done a particular test- column 2 shows the test taken Groupings based on YDNA; mtDNA and FF/Aut are assumed to match based on tree; suggest those kits find a Smith male in line to YDNA compare. If you are a male Smith that did an autosomal test (Family Finder/Ancestry) and you are grouped with others, we strongly suggest you do a YDNA test as well.
A mail icon indicates that this person has registered on smithsworldwide.org, the registration has been tied to a branch, and he or she can be contacted by clicking the mail icon and sending a private message. The private message will also send an email. If the member is also a group contact for the group, there will be a "Group Contact" indication as well.
A icon indicates the line representative has not registered on this site and cannot be contacted through private message or email. If you are represented here and you are not registered, please register and be sure to include your kit number so we can look you up and tie you to your branch. You can then be directly contacted from this site.
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Thoughts on YDNA versus Autosomal-why NPE?
ISOGG X Chromosome testing


Latest Group Discussion Post

 Conflict re: James Cuddy Smith b 1760 NC- father to Jonathan Smith? Does not seem so
Got in a new member recently that has James Cuddy Smith b 1760 NC m Martha Parham as the ancestor. Location was, around 1840 at his time of death, Montgomery Co NC. Haplogroup for that member is R-M269 and matches are to Group GRP-R-M259-191. There is no indication that Jonathan Smith, who was also in Montgomery Co NC, is the son of James C Smith, and just as important is that the two members who did YDNA have a differen haplogroup I-M53. Although Jonathan lives in an early census near Green Smith, who is from James Cuddy, there is no indication that Jonathan is a son of James, but what is needed for a dispute is a source that shows otherwise. Thanks to descendant of James Cuddy who researches him and recommended a lookout.

In looking at Jonathan Smith again, there are no names of children named James, but there is a Reuben. Could this son be named after the Reuben who was early on in Montgomery Co NC and if you are a descendant of same, come join the project.
Some YDNA possibilities for other children from Jonathan. (in blue).
Jonathan Smith [1]  b. 1801 Montgomery County, North Carolina, USA d. 1873 Montgomery County, North Carolina, USA
  •  Rebecca Morris  b. 1801 Montgomery County, North Carolina, USA d. 1875 Montgomery County, North Carolina, USA
    • 2  William David Smith [1.1]   Descendancy chart to this point b. 1842 North Carolina, USA d. 1920 Uwharee,Montgomery County, North Carolina, USA
      •  Catherine Hunsucker  b. 14 Mar 1842 North Carolina, USA d. 27 Apr 1888 North Carolina, USA
        • 3  Odus Dockery Smith [1.1.1]   Descendancy chart to this point b. 1881 Montgomery County, North Carolina, USA d. 1961 Montgomery County, North Carolina, USA
          •  Emma Elizabeth Smith  b. c 1889
        • 3  Thomas M Smith [1.1.2]   Descendancy chart to this point b. c 1867 North Carolina, USA
          • +  Iva Strother 
        • 3  Elmina Smith [1.1.3]   Descendancy chart to this point b. c 1869
        • 3  Schuyler Lorance Smith [1.1.4]   Descendancy chart to this point b. Jan 1873 North Carolina, USA
          •  Bannie A Bruton  b. 1875 d. 1931
            • 4  Carmie Lineberry Smith [1.1.4.1]   Descendancy chart to this point b. Feb 1897 North Carolina, USA [ =>]
        • 3  William T Smith [1.1.5]   Descendancy chart to this point b. c 1873
        • 3  Oscar Hayes Smith [1.1.6]   Descendancy chart to this point b. 18 May 1876 North Carolina, USA d. 18 Jun 1959 York County, South Carolina, USA
          •  Annie Florence Thompson  b. 1880 d. 1945
            • 4  Burley Vanderbilt Smith [1.1.6.1]   Descendancy chart to this point b. 7 May 1902 Troy,NC,USA d. 17 May 1980 Boone,NC,USA [ =>]
        • 3  John C Smith [1.1.7]   Descendancy chart to this point b. c 1879
          •  Minnie Dennis 
            • 4  Alvin Smith [1.1.7.1]   Descendancy chart to this point
            • 4  Edith Smith [1.1.7.2]   Descendancy chart to this point
            • 4  Mabel Smith [1.1.7.3]   Descendancy chart to this point
    • 2  Calvin Smith [1.2]   Descendancy chart to this point b. 27 Jul 1830 North Carolina, USA d. 7 Oct 1918 North Carolina, USA
      •  Mary Eliza 
        • 3  Mahala Smith [1.2.1]   Descendancy chart to this point
        • 3  Martha J Smith [1.2.2]   Descendancy chart to this point
        • 3  Mary E Smith [1.2.3]   Descendancy chart to this point
        • 3  Sarah R Smith [1.2.4]   Descendancy chart to this point
        • 3  Andrew P Smith [1.2.5]   Descendancy chart to this point
    • 2  Nancy Smith [1.3]   Descendancy chart to this point b. c 1843
      • +  Lancelot Robinson 
    • 2  Reuben Smith [1.4]   Descendancy chart to this point b. c 1835 North Carolina, USA
      •  Julia Wade 
        • 3  Isaac S Smith [1.4.1]   Descendancy chart to this point b. c 1860 North Carolina, USA
          •  Eliza Robinson 
            • 4  William Columbus Smith [1.4.1.1]   Descendancy chart to this point b. 7 Oct 1883 North Carolina, USA d. 6 Sep 1958 Liberty Hill, Montgomery County, North Carolina, USA
        • 3  Louisa Smith [1.4.2]   Descendancy chart to this point b. c 1861 North Carolina, USA
          • +  George W Morris 
Would particularly like, on YDNA, to compare male chidlren of Calvin Smith or Reuben OR if you have done an autosomal test for this line, come join the project.
Comment by smithsworldwide 2024-05-04 09:50:41