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Nehemiah Smith b England m Sarah Bourne Also Jedediah Smith b New london CT. Descendants in Sherman, NY, an Deerfield MI Locations: New york, Clinton County, PA; Harford County, MD; Co
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Nehemiah Smith origins
I am writing to those of you who have expressed an interest in the continuing saga about the origins of Nehemiah Smith. Recently I sent out a note, suggesting some attention should be paid to Edward, Nehemiah’s nephew, who was sent for in England from their elder brother (name still unknown) to live with brother John in Connecticut around 1651. Edward’s challenge of his Uncle John’s will which involved John’s wife, Joanna, makes for a very good read and is covered fully in H. Alan Smith’s 1889 book, “The Descendants of the Rev. Nehemiah Smith”. However, there are clues that have been left about John which may also be worth a look.
John Smith was born in England about 1609 and possibly came over with his brother Nehemiah in 1637/38. He first appears in Boston town records, volume two, page 41 under the date the 29, May 1639 (living in what is now part of Brookline) and it is thought that he may have been a tailor as his name was occasionally recorded as “Taylor Smith”. In 1640, he married Joanna (last name, unknown), a widow with a daughter named Elizabeth. They had no other children. We know that John sent Edward to live with Nehemiah on Long Island as he felt he could not keep him,“ being in a low condition, in respect to his estate.”
We know that Nehemiah assisted John with cattle, sheep, and money to build a home along with a good deal of land. John repaid his brother as he became able and clearly took advantage of this opportunity afforded him, as by 1658/9 the general court of Hartford had appointed him Commissioner of Customs for the port of New London. By 1660 the same court granted New London to have an assistant and three commissioners with full power to try small cases. John was made one of the commissioners, where among other things he dealt with issues between the Native Americans and the English. He and Joanna became members of the First Church at New London where he served as a deacon in 1665.
Various accounts mention John’s claims of a loss of property in England during the Civil Wars (there were two separate civil wars, some say three, there in the 1640s). The time including the civil wars up through the restoration of the monarchy under Charles II is referred to as the Interregnum and what I have read about this time period is confusing to say the least. It involved a power struggle between Parliament and the king, battles with Scots and Irish, Catholics versus Protestants, and even battles between various Protestant factions. These Protestant groups, some of whom are described as non – Conformists, Independents or Puritans, included the Diggers, the Levelers and the Ranters (among others). It is quite interesting to read about these various sects; the Ranters in particular held some very radical ideas.
Many of the people whose land had been “sequestered” during the Civil War had it returned when the monarchy was reestablished in the 1660 under Charles II. However, it is not clear when during this time period John lost his land or why it apparently was not returned. We can safely assume he was not a Ranter, but his views as a Non -Conformist or that he left England may be factors. Or maybe he supported the Royalists at the wrong time.
I did some searching on British History Online and have even searched through the National Archives in London to see what documents might be found about the sequestered properties. Assuming the documents would include where John’s land was located, these could signal where he and Nehemiah once lived. Then, given that these docs list the name of the towns, further investigations into local parishes might be done to find their birth records.
Unfortunately, and not unexpectedly, there are quite a few references to John Smiths who all had land seized. I will list file numbers for further investigation.
Sources of John Smiths from British History Online
Queensborough, October 1648 calendar for compounding delinquents for estates January 1647 to June 1650 volume G255 June 1651 448–455
In Whitwell, 1650, Lists of delinquencies and Papists whose estates are under sequestration
Note: I did find a Smith born in Whitwell b 1602 to a father Richarde Smythe in Wingerworth, Derbyshire
In Selly, County Worcester, 5 October 1648 committee of Goldsmith Hall on grounds of obstruction for delinquencies of second payment, then having paid a second fine, the estate is discharged from sequestration RC 5 115
July 1647 in Blackthorne, Oxon? 6 234 199 145 146
Another 14 115 43 369 on 10 June receive profits from estate 17 652 p. 948 on 4 Nov 1645
Two separate forfeitures to the Commonwealth for “treason” (on a list of Royalists) in both Euxton, Lancaster and in Whitwal, Derbyshire Nov 1652
Of Smithfield 5 Sept 1648 Vol A 1 2 3 36 20 Jul 1649 for remand of his sequestration, his wife submitted
Of Ely 2 25 74 4 297, 3 Nov 1645 his sequestration seized 11 July
Of Hadley, county Suffolk, July 1644 Calendar for Committee for advancement of money,
July 1642 Son and heir of Robert Smith, Sir John Smith, Knight House of Commons four hundred pounds 22 April
In Worth, Married a widow, Anne, ( who died in 1651) so a recusant land was sequestered and sequestration was discharged to 1652 on petition of Edward, who convey to John Smith in 1657 until his death in 1662.
Note: this one sounded interesting, but we know Edward died in 1689
Sources of John Smiths found in the National Archives in London
Note: SP stands for State Papers
SP 28/214/183 of Salop, Sussex account, book of sequestered estates in Sussex between 29 sept 1650 – 3, June 1654
SP 20/11/26 of Winfred, Cambridgeshire, 28, July 1645 SCQ 274–279 SEQ 276, folio 114, SUQ 278, folio 115 depositions, taken before additional committee 19 Nov 1645
At National Archives in Kew, Richmond TW 9 4 DU
Series formally called Interregnum B 1643-1653 2 box 1/79/1, 1/79/3, 1/79/4
Places mentioned: London, Worcester, Holland
Note: I have been unable to find a town named Winfred
SP 28/214/3 accounts and receipts of disbursement made by John Smith collector for Portbury, Somerset
SP 20/10/1 Yorkshire
Seq 8 folios, 5V-6 description ( seg 3; folio 1)
List of sequestered persons whose appeals are still pending before the barons of the Exchequer, Commission of Appeals, in cases of sequestrations as of
25 December 1651
Lease to John Smith, citizen and haberdasher in London concerning a house or tenement, and Bellyardin, New Fish Street Hill, for a term of 7 years by, name unclear, Thomas Sherman, Henry Lynch, of London and liberties thereof of John Smith
Note: interesting to see the term haberdasher, could this be our “Tailor” John?
Main papers HL/PO/JO/10/1/274
Draft ordinance to clear John Smith of his delinquency 5 October 1648 Lords journals X530
Main papers HA/PO/JO/10/1/70
25, August 1641 Affidavit of John Smith, respecting riots on a Earl of Lindsey’s lands in Lincolnshire
Well folks, those are the lists I could find which certainly include some interesting bits of information!
My wife, Pat, and I will be traveling to England in May, and though our itinerary is packed, I may see if I can get into the National Archives for a look at some of these documents. If anyone has some advice about this, it would be most appreciated. Please do pass along any other clues or questions you may have.
Cheers and good hunting! Mike
Comment by mrmhsmith 2023-04-16 15:23:42
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