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The following group is created based on YDNA matches. Sometimes trees are incorrect, and sometimes the results of DNA show that believing a particular tree is yours leads to a different direction than you originally thought. If you see an error in any tree, you are encouraged to send in corrections, sources, etc or post about it on the forum. These lines represent people's research. What the Smith DNA Project attempts to do in those cases is, with sources or reasoning, get the people together in a given group to discuss and then come to a consensus about the data for updating or correcting. We do not remove information without the people who have the trees, if possible,  being aware through a process so they can confirm or not, or describe the issue if there is a conflict that cannot be easily resolved. We also cannot know, nor have unlimited time to look for, places on the internet that have additional information. We rely on people whose trees these are, as project members, and members of this Smith DNA grouping, or interested passersby providing information that will set a new light on members data. There is a Submit Photo/Document/Source link on every ancestor page, as well as a Suggest changes and Contact link.
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John Smith b 1765 VA m E Patterson; Joseph Smith b 1788 GA m Nancy Musser; George Washington Smith b 1785 VA m Mary Tyner

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Was originally posted on the Smith DNA Activity Feed, reposting here because everyone needs to see this. 
Since about 2014, I have been working to find the connection among several Smith descendants. All had presumed ancestors but none had a paper trail showing a connection among their ancestors who were: John (b. ~ 1760-1776, d. Elbert County. Georgia 1841), George (b. ~ 1785, d. Paulding County, Georgia 1859), Jesse E. (b. ~ 1817 Georgia, d. 1886, Bibb County, Alabama), Joseph (b. ~1788, Georgia, d. after 1864 in Alabama). My own personal research did lead me to conclude that John’s father was another John (d.1813 Elbert County, Georgia) and that Jesse E’s father was Jesse Smith Sr (b. 1784 and d. after 1870). Y111 testing among the seven testers was organized by Deb Harper into Group I-M253-33 and shows a Genetic Distances of 1-3. Deb Harper encouraged me to upgrade as many testers as I could manage financially to the Big Y. After some slow progress at FTDNA, the results were all complete on June 1, 2021. In my attempt to make sense of the results compared to the earlier STR results, I uploaded a txt file of both STRs and SNPs to a site called SAPP, created by David Vance. Entering the data onto the SAPP form is a little bit labor intensive. It require (1) that STR matches of as many people and markers be pasted into a txt document (I tried pasting in all 700+ markers but this created an impossibly complex output document), (2) manually inserting as many SNPs as seem pertinent (I settled on just three SNPS which are found on the Big Y Block Tree), which involves making an entry for each SNP followed by a + or a – to indicate whether each tester is positive or negative for the SNP, (3) manually entering any genealogical data you think pertinent (I chose to enter John as a parent for two testers and a ? for all the rest and no information on any other ancestors for fear of creating confirmation bias). Here is link to the txt file. Notice that each type of entry requires a specific type of notation prior to data entry: /STRDATA, /SNPDATA, or /GENDATA. This is what I got from the submission: This should look somewhat familiar because it shows the same SNPS and Names as are in the Block Tree. It also shows which STRs differ from the others on the line above the Names in the yellow boxes. What is different is a Person called Mode and the fact that none of the Blue SNP boxes have names, just indications of SNP changes. I applied the information I had using this data to create a similar chart. I used LucidChart but can also be used. I am inserting it here. What jumped out at me was that it seemed possible that all of the ancestors MAY have had the same parents unless John Smith Sr had been married twice, to explain John’s birth of 1760 being so distant from the others. Further research showed that John very likely had not been married twice. Further research into John in censuses showed that the 1830 census was more of an outlier and his age was much closer to that of the other men.

-From JanesBonny representing  the BigY Group here 

AND here is the link to the SAPP site 
Comment by smithsworldwide 2021-09-15 20:49:15

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Statistics: Total Members: 7 Total YDNA: 0 Total mtDNA: 0 Total autosomal: 0 Total tree only: 0 Total Big-Y: 7

Groupings are made based on YDNA matches. Subgroupings are matches on STRs, SNPs or higher levels of markers and/or Big Y.The lineage may or may not be able to connect to another member, but hopefully listing the descent lines will lead to clues to prove the matches by lineage and location. If you believe you would fit into this group, please 1. join the Smith DNA Project at FamilyTreeDNA (Official-All), 2. Send in your direct line that includes the earliest Smith/Schmidt for whom you have a source 3. Register on the big tree site
Matched Group/Subgroup Early Ancestor Tree/Ped/m/Y/X/FF(Aut)Type Gedmatch Migration Path
GRP-I-M253-33 /BY-I-M253-3 YDNA on FTDNA S1-111 (I-BY79099) George Washington Smith b 1785 VA m Mary Tyner (2 Jesse 3 John W) Kit # 8905****(FTD)/ YDNA  BigY 
GRP-I-M253-33 /BY-I-M253-3 YDNA on FTDNA S1-111 (I-BY79099) John Smith b 1765 VA m E Patterson 2. Wells Smith b 1805 GA 3 Abram 4 William W Kit # 8839****(FTD)/ YDNA  BigY 
GRP-I-M253-33 /BY-I-M253-3 YDNA on FTDNA S1-111 (I-BY79099) John Smith b 1765 VA m E Patterson 2. Wells Smith b 1805 GA 3 Levi 4 Levi W Group Contact Edit Kit # 9225****(FTD)/ YDNA  BigY  GA
GRP-I-M253-33 /BY-I-M253-3 YDNA on FTDNA S1-111 (I-BY79099) Joseph Smith b 1788 GA m Nancy Mussey (Morrow) Kit # 9108****(FTD)/ YDNA  BigY 
GRP-I-M253-33 /BY-I-M253-3 YDNA on FTDNA S1-111 (I-FTA8201) George Washington Smith b 1785 VA m Mary Tyner 2 David 3 David 4 David Kit # 3659****(FTD)/ YDNA  BigY  FF/AUT 
GRP-I-M253-33 /BY-I-M253-3 YDNA on FTDNA S1-111 (I-FTA8286) George Washington Smith b 1785 VA m Mary Tyner Kit # 8771****(FTD)/ YDNA  BigY 
GRP-I-M253-33 /BY-I-M253-3 YDNA on FTDNA S1-111 (I-FTA8286) George Washington Smith b 1785 VA m Mary Tyner 2 David Kit # 8679****(FTD)/ YDNA  BigY 

This chart, for privacy reasons, partially privatizes kit numbers. Each unique family line is represented by a *branch*. Think of one big tree with many branches. The branch number is automatically generated when a member sends his or her tree. The Smith DNA Project looks to see if the lineage is already represented or is new, as well as checks to see if the DNA results are compatible with any existing and matching line results. The YDNA, FFAUT, mtDNA, or Tree Only shows what type of DNA, if any, the member has tested for.
Groupings based on at least 37 matching YDNA markers, subject to change if better match found;autosomal, mtDNA and tree-only are only assumed to be related but a given line needs to be, if possible, vetted via a YDNA test or the autosomal tester needs to have a proven match with another autosomal tester who also has a YDNA match. We post this provisional DNA along with the proven YDNA matches in a group in order to bring attention to getting a YDNA tester to represent.
To see more information on a given *branch, click the branch description (ie, "John Smith b 1767 NC") etc.
icon for FF/AUT (Family Finder/Autosomal type test) means caution, needs to be verified. Same, obviously, with Tree Only and mtDNA. means it has been verified with at least one other autosomal match which also has been verified with the YDNA test in this group. The project also keeps autosomal groups separately while waiting for additional information to link them to a YDNA group.
Contacting a participant. Use the contact information, above. if the member is registered on this site, you may send a private message. You will also need to be registered and logged on. You can also go to a given ancestor page, and post a query to the Smith DNA Discussion forum (separate login and registration)  Post a question regarding the line on the Smiths DNA Facebook group. If on FamilyTreeDNA, look up the match list and click on the email icon for a given matching kit.
The section with Tree/Ped/m/x/Y/FF(Aut) shows the top tree line and pedigree if known, and what the YDNA, mtDNA, X line would look like-does not necessarily mean the person has done a particular test- column 2 shows the test taken Groupings based on YDNA; mtDNA and FF/Aut are assumed to match based on tree; suggest those kits find a Smith male in line to YDNA compare. If you are a male Smith that did an autosomal test (Family Finder/Ancestry) and you are grouped with others, we strongly suggest you do a YDNA test as well.
A mail icon indicates that this person has registered on, the registration has been tied to a branch, and he or she can be contacted by clicking the mail icon and sending a private message. The private message will also send an email. If the member is also a group contact for the group, there will be a "Group Contact" indication as well.
A icon indicates the line representative has not registered on this site and cannot be contacted through private message or email. If you are represented here and you are not registered, please register and be sure to include your kit number so we can look you up and tie you to your branch. You can then be directly contacted from this site.