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 Reply from Doug re: Dorcas

The question still begging to be answered .........     douglassmith44added this on 9 Apr 2012    (1) Why are the name associations, and naming patterns of the Hiram and Dorcas Smith family in Hall Co., Ga., so similar to the Joseph [1740] and Basil [1772/73] Smith families in SC? By the way, Hiram’s first name was also Joseph. (2) It has always been my belief that Dorcas Smith [daughter of Basil] born Dec. 1800 was the wife of Hiram Smith. Hiram and Dorcas are my 3rd great grandparents. Dorcas had a twin brother that is noted as being William, Jr. That being said, is this evidence that Basil was also named William?, maybe Sr.? (3) One explanation would be that Dorcas did the child naming, and after her family. Possible, but very doubtful. That just wasn't the way things were done back then. Also, Joseph Hiram, has been noted as a son of John Buckner Smith, but it’s seems strange that neither the John, or Buckner name shows up in the children of Joseph Hiram. Also worthy of note; Hiram is not a name that shows up in either the Joseph [1740], or Basil [1772] naming patterns (although it cold be a middle name), nor any of the Job Smith Sr., and Jr., lines, that I can find. However, the Hiram name does continue with the descendents of Hiram [1798]. (4) The first born son was usually, and customarily, named after the father's father. In the case of Hiram and Dorcas; they named their first born son, Job, second son, David, third son, Basil. They also named a son Sim(e)on, and another James. Job, Hiram’s 1st born son also named his first born son, William. The scheme usually goes first son after father of father, second after father of mother, third after father's oldest brother, and so on; the girls were named the same only after mothers. (5) Hiram [1798] (his birthdate is from the census and varies 2-3 years on each. I personally think he was about 10 years older than Dorcas since he died after the 1870 census was taken, but before 1879 when Dorcas died. Dorcas was noted as being a widow at her death) and Dorcas [1800] also named a son Phillip Porter Smith. Joseph's [1740] first born daughter, Mary Ann [1768], married Phillip Porter. Phillip and Mary named a son Basil Smith Porter. Was all of this just a coincidence? (6) We know from a deposition that Mary [1768] gave [Revo. War pension doc] that Job Smith, Jr. [1748] served with Joseph Smith [1740] in the Revo. War, and these two families lived near each other in SC. “She was personally acquainted with Job Smith in the time of war. She lived about ¼ mile from said Job and that her father Joseph, born 1740 and his brother, Job Smith, Jr., born 1748, entered the service together“. (7) Note: John Smith and Basil Smith were in Pendleton, Dist., S.C. listed on the 1820 census living about 4 or 5 houses away from Joseph Hiram and Dorcas “Polly” Smith. I firmly believe that this is additional evidence to support the Basil (father) and John (uncle) relationship to Dorcas “Poly” Smith, and, or, Joseph Hiram Garfield Smith. (8) The naming patterns. Again, are these coincidental as well? Joseph [1740] and Elizabeth [1750] had……. Daughters: Dorcus [1783] Martha 1784] Elizabeth [1785] Mary Ann 1786] Nancy [1792] Some lines have Nancy and others don’t. Sons: William [1770] Basil [1772] Job [1775-1814] married Sarah Susanna Clayton. John [1778] Thomas H. [1789] Joseph [1790] Basil [1772] and Amelia “Milly” [1773] had…….. Daughters: Mary [1795] Elizabeth [1798] Dorcas *[1800] Sarah [1807] Mecca [1809] Mary Millicent “Milly” [1816] Sons: Job [1796] William Jr. *[1800] Phillip Porter [1802] George S. [1805] Thomas [1811] Joseph [1814]. Hiram [1798] and Dorcas [1800] had……… Daughters: Amelia “Milly” [1826] Mecca Adeline [1832] Sarah Malinda “Sallie” [1837] Dorcas Ann [1841] Mary Elizabeth “Betsey” [1842] Sons: Job [1820] David [1821] Phillip Porter [1825] James M. [1828] Hiram Jr. [1833] Basil [1836] Simon S. [1838] 

In 1830, listed as just Hiram, Joseph Hiram and Dorcas were in the Pickens Dist., S.C. They left SC in 1832/33 and are found on the 1840 Hall County Census GMD 563. NOTE: Their 1st child and a son, Joseph Hiram, Jr., was born Aug. 10, 1833, in Ga.                                
Hiram Smith 2 4 2    1  1  1  1... The 1840 census of the 563rd. Ga. Military Dist, Hall Co., Ga., listed Hiram Smith, Sr. with (2) males under 5 years, (4) males between 5-10  years, (2) males 10-15 years, (1) male 40-50, (1) female under 5 years, (1) female 40-50 and (1) female 60-70 who most likely was his/her mother. NOTE: Amelia “Milly” (Slaton) Smith would have been 67 years old in 1840. It was noted that Basil, died 1858 in S.C. I think Elizabeth Hallum Smith also died about 1814. NOTE: In Joseph's will he specifically states that his wife, Elizabeth, "should live on the plantation with my son Joseph her lifetime". 
[Joseph Smith (b) [1740] Will dated April 6, 1814 administered June 18, 1814]. 
In the name of God Amen. It is appointed unto man once to die. I Joseph Smith of SC Pendleton District as I am in a low state of health but am in my right mind think it proper to leave my will and testament and this being my last will and testament I first recommend my Soul to God and my body to be berried in decent Christian Burial. 
To my dauter Elizabeth one black horse....saddle...bridle...bed...furniture...half dozen earthen plates....cotton wheel....set of tea ware, two cows. To my dauter Milly forty five dollars feather bed and furniture. Son Joseph my Plantation houses and tenements ...all plantation tools, stock....house furniture,,,,except that which is given in will to other legecer. Wife Elizabeth should live on the Plantation with my son Joseph her lifetime. To each of my children five shillings a peas. Joseph born about 1790 evidently " the last and a late life child for Joseph and Elizabeth".  
I firmly believe that this is additional evidence to support the Basil (father) and John (uncle) relationship to Dorcas “Poly” Smith, and, or, Joseph Hiram Garfield Smith. (8) The naming patterns. Again, are these coincidental as well? 
1.) Joseph [1740] and Elizabeth [1750] had……. Daughters: Dorcus [1783] Martha 1784] Elizabeth [1785] Mary Ann 1786] Nancy [1792]. Some lines have Nancy and others don’t. Sons: William [1770] Basil [1772] Job [1775-1814] married Sarah Susanna Clayton. John [1778] Thomas H. [1789] Joseph [1790].
2.) Basil [1772] and Amelia “Milly” [1773] had…….. Daughters: Mary [1795] Elizabeth [1798] Dorcas [1800] Sarah [1807] Mecca [1809] Mary Millicent “Milly” [1816] Sons: Job [1796] William Jr. [1800] Phillip Porter [1802] George S. [1805] Thomas [1811] Joseph [1814]. 
1. Joseph Hiram [1798] and Dorcas [1800] had……… Daughters: Amelia “Milly” [1826] Mecca Adeline [1832] Sarah Malinda “Sallie” [1837] Dorcas Ann [1841] Mary Elizabeth “Betsey” [1842] Sons: Job [1820] David [1821] Phillip Porter [1825] James M. [1828] Hiram Jr. [1833] Basil [1836] Simon S. [1838].
2. From: TomESmith@Carolina.rr.com
To: glodosmith@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: A brother names Joseph
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 20:19:43 -0400
I have tried to locate him [Joseph] also. I know he sold the home place Where Joseph and Elizabeth lived before Joseph died in 1814 on 12 mile creek around 1839. Have a copy of the deed. Don't know if he moved, moved in with someone, got married or died? Do you have any leads??? If you have Hiram and Dorcas children and dates handy, please resubmit (I have it somewhere, but would take some digging). I want to put them in my FTM along with Micha Miller and her children as best I can determine.
Tom

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